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Dr. Balis:
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Hello, Anna. Come in. Please sit down.
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Ms. Green:
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Thank you, Doctor.
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Dr. Balis:
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You look a bit flushed.
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Ms. Green:
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I ran. I thought I was late.
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Dr. Balis:
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No, right on time. So, tell me about your Thanksgiving.
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Ms. Green:
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It was very nice. I got there okay. My parents were happy to see me.
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Dr. Balis:
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How are they?
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Ms. Green:
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Well...
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Dr. Balis:
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Yes?
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Ms. Green:
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Well, my mom knows everything.
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Dr. Balis:
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Everything?
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Ms. Green:
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As much as my dad. Trevor called my parents' house on Saturday morning. I was still there. He talked with my dad first, I had no idea it was him.
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Dr. Balis:
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He called your parents' house? Why?
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Ms. Green:
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He wanted to apologize to me again. He got their number out of my SFPD file.
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Dr. Balis:
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I see.
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Ms. Green:
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He charmed my mom and dad.
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Dr. Balis:
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Really?
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Ms. Green:
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He called and asked my dad's permission to stop by and talk with them and me in person.
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Dr. Balis:
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He actually came to your parents' house?
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Ms. Green:
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Well, he asked first.
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Dr. Balis:
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Still...
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Ms. Green:
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Yeah, if he had gotten me, I would have said no. But my dad was more than happy to talk with him and to meet him. My dad really gets off on having me be part of a police investigation.
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Dr. Balis:
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Hmm.
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Ms. Green:
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So Trevor came. My mom made tea. My dad and I had to fill her in on as much as we could before he showed up, which was fifteen minutes after his call, by the way.
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Dr. Balis:
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So he was in the area?
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Ms. Green:
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I guess.
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Dr. Balis:
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Did he just happen to be near by?
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Ms. Green:
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I was afraid to ask.
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Dr. Balis:
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Why?
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Ms. Green:
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I got the impression that it was his intention to see my parents and me and that he would have driven up from San Francisco just to do that.
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Dr. Balis:
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Hmm.
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Ms. Green:
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So, any way, we all had some tea and left-over desert, and we talked. And we talked, and we talked.
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Dr. Balis:
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Hmm.
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Ms. Green:
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It was the first time I saw him in a more or less normal situation. Before, it was always in some S&M club or somebody's dungeon. And even though we talked about the investigation, Trevor managed to keep it rather clean. He never gave out any sexually explicit details, he never said anything that would have shocked my mother.
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Dr. Balis:
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But the investigation is very...
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Ms. Green:
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He talked about teenage runaways, and how they can get into trouble in a big city. He talked about bad people and sexual predators. But he never said what was actually happening to these kids. My mother knew, because we talked about it between ourselves just before he came. And my dad...well, you know how much he knew. So Trevor really put on a show for them. He made me out to be a hero--a private citizen doing her best to aid those poor, unfortunate, misguided, and abused children. Even I felt somehow in awe of myself.
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Dr. Balis:
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I see.
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Ms. Green:
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I guess it was all a form of manipulation. But at the time, it was nice. My parents are very proud of me now. And that felt good. If I had told the story to my mother, I wouldn't have come off as well as I did. So now she knows. She's a bit scared, but Trevor assured her that he would lay down his life for me.
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Dr. Balis:
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That's nice.
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Ms. Green:
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It was. It felt good.
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Dr. Balis:
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So do you like Trevor more now?
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Ms. Green:
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I guess.
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Dr. Balis:
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It sounds like you do. And are you willing to work with him again?
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Ms. Green:
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We will do a few more outings together.
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Dr. Balis:
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I see. When?
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Ms. Green:
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Maybe one this weekend. He said that he won't take advantage of my good nature to drag me into these scenes any more than is absolutely necessary.
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Dr. Balis:
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And what is that absolute minimum that he's talking about?
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Ms. Green:
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Probably once or twice a week.
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Dr. Balis:
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That's a lot. Are you sure you want to do this, Anna?
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Ms. Green:
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He said that they are very close now.
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Dr. Balis:
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Close to solving the case?
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Ms. Green:
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Close to getting enough evidence to get Gray.
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Dr. Balis:
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Do you know what the charge against Gray will be?
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Ms. Green:
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I think it will be something about having sex with a minor and exploiting underage kids in the S&M shows and demonstrations. I'm sure there is more to it than this, but I think that's what they basically want him for. They said that when Kathy first ran away from home, Gray was the one who got her into the whole S&M thing. They said that he finds kids living on the streets and gives them a home and...you know.
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Dr. Balis:
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Hmm.
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Ms. Green:
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They think he has a few runways living with him right now.
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Dr. Balis:
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Would you have to testify?
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Ms. Green:
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I don't know. I don't really know anything. I didn't know Kathy when she was underage, and what she told me about her life as a teenager could be a complete fabrication. Plus, she never told me about Gray. When she first introduced me to him, I had no idea she had anything more than a casual connection to him.
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Dr. Balis:
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I see.
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Ms. Green:
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Well, it's all history now. Let me tell you about my work, Doctor, it's a far better subject.
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Dr. Balis:
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All right. What's going on at work?
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Ms. Green:
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I love working in my department. Did you know that Lloyd is going to the 1998 Nobel Prize awards ceremony in Sweden? He said that this year's Physics Prize winner is a buddy of his. Have you ever heard of Robert Laughlin?
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Dr. Balis:
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No, I've never heard of him.
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Ms. Green:
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Well, he is only getting a Nobel Prize in Physics, why would you?
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Dr. Balis:
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And Lloyd is a friend of his?
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Ms. Green:
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Yeah. Very cool. This guy will visit with us in the next few months. He hypothesized that electrons in a powerful electric field condense into this liquid made up of quasi particles with fractional electron charge. Well, this can mean some interesting new technology--things will get a lot smaller soon. Cell phones, chips...
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Dr. Balis:
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Hmm?
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Ms. Green:
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Don't worry, I don't get much of it myself yet, but I will. In our department, they encourage continuing education and specialization in a scientific field of choice. I chose physics. So I get to take graduate classes over at UCB, and I also get to go to any three scientific conferences a year, anywhere in the world. Cool?
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Dr. Balis:
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Yes.
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Ms. Green:
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It's great! I'm very happy, Doctor. I really like my job. I like that they encourage me to think of the most incredible ideas and see if they could be brought to life. You should attend one of our weekly brainstorming-slash-presentation meetings--you'll either quit your job and join our team, or you'll dedicate half your time to group therapy sessions for SII's grandest band of lunatics.
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Dr. Balis:
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Is that what you call yourselves?
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Ms. Green:
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No. I was just joking with Trevor on the phone about what it is that we do in my department, and that's what he called us--that's why I was almost late to see you today.
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Dr. Balis:
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Hmm. Do you talk with Trevor a lot on the phone?
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Ms. Green:
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Not really. Once a day maybe. He usually calls me once a day.
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Dr. Balis:
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Usually?
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Ms. Green:
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Well, since the post Thanksgiving Saturday.
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Dr. Balis:
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I see.
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Ms. Green:
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He is a much nicer guy than he let on, Doctor. And he is interested in what I do--he is trying to be very careful that I don't miss any of the time I need at work. He's trying. I think he even got in trouble with his boss because of me.
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Dr. Balis:
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Really?
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Ms. Green:
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I didn't want to miss Lloyd's presentation on Monday, so Trevor let me skip one of those S&M Winter Wonderland Specials.
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Dr. Balis:
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What's that?
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Ms. Green:
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Some party, I don't really know. I told Trevor I couldn't...I didn't want to go, and he was fine with that. I heard later that he got into trouble over that.
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Dr. Balis:
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Hmm.
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Ms. Green:
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Well, our time is up. I'll see you next week, Doctor?
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Dr. Balis:
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Yes, that's good. Anna?
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Ms. Green:
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Yes?
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Dr. Balis:
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You seemed almost giddy today. Is there something you did tell me?
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Ms. Green:
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I don't know what you're talking about, Doctor.
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Dr. Balis:
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All right. Oh, by the way, I was looking back in my notes and I saw that it'll be our hundredth session next week.
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Ms. Green:
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Really? Well, we should do something to celebrate.
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Dr. Balis:
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We'll see. Have a nice week, Anna.
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Ms. Green:
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Goodbye, Charles.
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Doctor Balis' Notes on this Session
Transcripts of Anna Green's Communications
